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	<title>Comments on: What the costs statistics tell us about cost threats</title>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://etclaims.co.uk/2009/04/what-the-costs-statistics-tell-us-about-cost-threats/comment-page-1/#comment-4073</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Feb 2011 12:09:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The graphs (and all the statistics) are from the Employment Tribunal Report 2007-08. So they cover the year from 1st April 2007 to 31st March 2008.

You can find all the annual reports on the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.employmenttribunals.gov.uk/Publications/annualReports.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;tribunal website&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The graphs (and all the statistics) are from the Employment Tribunal Report 2007-08. So they cover the year from 1st April 2007 to 31st March 2008.</p>
<p>You can find all the annual reports on the <a href="http://www.employmenttribunals.gov.uk/Publications/annualReports.htm" rel="nofollow">tribunal website</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Feb 2011 10:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My firm was awarded £3000 in costs following a clearly misconceived claim which was handled in a highly vexatious manner. However we do not feel like we are true &#039;winners&#039; because the costs claimed for were £8500, and then you factor in all the time spent on it, and basically it wasted everyone&#039;s time. Ironically we&#039;d even offered the claimant £1000 to settle early even though we knew he had no real basis for his claim, and he rejected it! Some people are just driven by greed and stupidity. 

What I would like to know is, what time frame or year do those graphs cover that show amounts awarded?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My firm was awarded £3000 in costs following a clearly misconceived claim which was handled in a highly vexatious manner. However we do not feel like we are true &#8216;winners&#8217; because the costs claimed for were £8500, and then you factor in all the time spent on it, and basically it wasted everyone&#8217;s time. Ironically we&#8217;d even offered the claimant £1000 to settle early even though we knew he had no real basis for his claim, and he rejected it! Some people are just driven by greed and stupidity. </p>
<p>What I would like to know is, what time frame or year do those graphs cover that show amounts awarded?</p>
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		<title>By: Naomi</title>
		<link>http://etclaims.co.uk/2009/04/what-the-costs-statistics-tell-us-about-cost-threats/comment-page-1/#comment-1568</link>
		<dc:creator>Naomi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 16:53:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;re grateful for this comment, because it says something important more convincingly than we could. 

We both stand by Michael&#039;s original post. It contains generalisations, and it is in the nature of generalisations that they don&#039;t apply  to all cases. But in general, we think the chances of a costs order in a reasonable case properly run are very small indeed. 

What we haven&#039;t said - and don&#039;t mean - is that  costs are never awarded against a claimant in such circumstances. Long odds do come up from time to time, and occasionally a claimant who had a perfectly respectable case and ran it in a reasonable way will nevertheless face a costs order. We don&#039;t say this can&#039;t happen - just that it doesn&#039;t happen very often. We know nothing about Jenny Shulter&#039;s circumstances of course, but it is perfectly possible that she was unlucky in this way. 

But it is important to recognise that a lot of claimants do come away from employment tribunal proceedings with a strong sense of injustice. It&#039;s a process that can right wrongs, and sometimes does - but it is also imperfect, and when it fails it generally doesn&#039;t just fail to make things better - it makes them much worse.  No claimant should start a claim without first making a clear-eyed assessment of all the risks.  We say more about this in Chapter 1 of the book (which you can download from this blog) under the heading &#039;Whether to bring a claim.&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;re grateful for this comment, because it says something important more convincingly than we could. </p>
<p>We both stand by Michael&#8217;s original post. It contains generalisations, and it is in the nature of generalisations that they don&#8217;t apply  to all cases. But in general, we think the chances of a costs order in a reasonable case properly run are very small indeed. </p>
<p>What we haven&#8217;t said &#8211; and don&#8217;t mean &#8211; is that  costs are never awarded against a claimant in such circumstances. Long odds do come up from time to time, and occasionally a claimant who had a perfectly respectable case and ran it in a reasonable way will nevertheless face a costs order. We don&#8217;t say this can&#8217;t happen &#8211; just that it doesn&#8217;t happen very often. We know nothing about Jenny Shulter&#8217;s circumstances of course, but it is perfectly possible that she was unlucky in this way. </p>
<p>But it is important to recognise that a lot of claimants do come away from employment tribunal proceedings with a strong sense of injustice. It&#8217;s a process that can right wrongs, and sometimes does &#8211; but it is also imperfect, and when it fails it generally doesn&#8217;t just fail to make things better &#8211; it makes them much worse.  No claimant should start a claim without first making a clear-eyed assessment of all the risks.  We say more about this in Chapter 1 of the book (which you can download from this blog) under the heading &#8216;Whether to bring a claim.&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Jenny Shulter</title>
		<link>http://etclaims.co.uk/2009/04/what-the-costs-statistics-tell-us-about-cost-threats/comment-page-1/#comment-1566</link>
		<dc:creator>Jenny Shulter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 14:57:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is just not true.  You should be advising people that Employment Tribunals are more than happy to award costs to respondents without giving a second thought as to whether the claimant can actually pay or not, or if it is indeed justified.  I actually think the Employment Tribunal system is one of the most corrupt I have ever come across, and completely amateurish in its approach.  Please do not give people false hope - because from my experience it is not something I would ever advise anyone to undertake - however good their case is.  There is no law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is just not true.  You should be advising people that Employment Tribunals are more than happy to award costs to respondents without giving a second thought as to whether the claimant can actually pay or not, or if it is indeed justified.  I actually think the Employment Tribunal system is one of the most corrupt I have ever come across, and completely amateurish in its approach.  Please do not give people false hope &#8211; because from my experience it is not something I would ever advise anyone to undertake &#8211; however good their case is.  There is no law.</p>
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